Here's the demo page for Gaikau assets- http://tera.wikia.com/wiki/Gaikai_Demo_Page- where you can click to play the game. This is just a test page; we will create something like it with intro text where you can play the game from. We'd like to place a few traffic driver banners on your main page and on the top 5 wiki pages (would you like to recommend them?)....
Yes, I've heard from George that it's planned to be released soon this week and be fully integrated. I like the create assets, they seem very welcoming.
Feel free to add the banners on your own, an editor will eventually fix any noticeable issues if any are found as that's the nature of wikis.
I'd like to ask though, what do you mean exactly by top 5 wiki pages?
These are 5 pages I believe people will most likely visit as an index of information.
I just hope they won't mess up the page. They will be on the right sidebar, correct?
Natsu has finished up the templates she's been working on and has implemented them into the current wiki. Everything may appear extremely broken at the moment but pages just need a couple tweaks and they will work properly again. So again, don't freak out, this update is going to make adding new templates and editing the current ones FAR easier then before. I will also be working on updating posts tomorrow throughout the day, and may do a little tonight before I head to sleep.
Thanks for telling me know about it. So far things seem to be working as intended except items. Let me know if there's any way I could speed up the process, I would be glad to help.
Locations and quests are super broken too. The some templates were renamed to names that... made more sense/were more consistent so we have to update anywhere the old location/npc/item infobox templates were used. Location links are also temporarily purple, so it's easier to catch which ones are missing the |tooltip = location parameter.
I fixed most of the low level quest pages (I think... got a little distracted fixing locations atm, lol).
If you want to help, you can... but it's super repetitive/tedious so idk if you want to. The difference from the old template is that you need templatename after the 2 opening brackets for the infobox. You also need onlyinclude tags around the infobox template (without any linebreaks/hard returns, or it will mess up when you link the page). Also need to add |tooltip = tooltip type (so it would be quest for quest pages, npc for npc pages, etc).
Oh, and the reason for the change is so that a universal {{tooltip}} template can be used to link any pages that you want a tooltip with. It also auto-detects |icon = on the page specified so people don't have to input something like {{item|item name|icon=icon name}}.
I've done all the quests. I've categorized quests with missing sections in template:stub/quest, and things that are out of place in template:cleanup.
Be sure to check the ones that require cleanup, they're really messed up. It's not a lot of them.
Well, template:t seems to be an important core feature, so I don't think we'll be able to use it without proper modifitication. How about template:tt, standing for ToolTip?
btw, if you end up changing item tooltip links, you need a icon= for it to have an icon next to the link. For example, {{tt|Standard Issue Twin Swords|icon=}}
Updated it to auto have icons, icon=hide will toggle it off. It is also coded so if icon was left blank, like in the previous example, the icon will still show (so we don't have to go back and change the links that already have icon= in them).
The first one will add you a FindReplace button, which allows you to easily replace {{skill| with {{tt|.
Second one allows you to get rid of the sidebar, useful for editing and general reading.
There appears to be a few issues in Archer so far.
Unnecessary spacing ("shots such as Penetrating Arrow .")
Links don't automatically bold.
Icons aren't displaying. Copy the code directly from template:skill, it should work to detect image by names. ALL of the skills (And items too, it's just that we didn't cover a lot of that field) have an image related to them by name. There is no reason why we should define the icon ourselves if I already spent hours re-uploading all the icons to match properly.
Fixed it so it uses name.png as the icon, if no icon is specified. The issue with spacing was because you had the onlyinclude tag on a separate line than the template. I tried fixing the code so it wouldn't matter that it was on a separate line but, unfortunately, wikia (maybe all wikis?) are very picky about spacing. Forgot to bold the links... doing that in a sec.
That spacing issue is wikis in general. It can solved with extensions, but I doubt Wikia will accept that request.
Anddd, I can throw more issues at you if you want, haha. Renaming skills does not work accordingly. For example, <code>{{tt|Backstep (Archer)|Backstep}}</code> just turns into a link to Backstep instead of Backstep (Archer), but shows the tooltip correctly.
xD. You shouldn't have to rename anything. As long as |name = Backstep (on the Backstep (Archer) page), the tooltip template auto detects that and will make it the display name. You just type in what page it should link to. So it would simply be {{tt|Backstep (Archer)}}. Changing icon size in a min.
I didn't know about that, that's very useful!
It doesn't work accordingly though, it shows the display name correctly, but it also uses it as the link too.
Looks like that did the trick. I like how the it actually detects the quality of an item, by the way. I'm working on wiping out all template:skill at the moment.
All done with removing template:skill. However, I did leave out tables as I'm sure somebody who would be making skills will find them useful and ease on such task, the fields I left are as such of template:Archerskills.
You can see the full list at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Skill.
I've placed pages with incorrect coding in the cleanup category.
nah, the colorizing is just so I can catch which pages don't have a |tooltip = on them lol, it's just temporary till everything gets transferred over xD.
Oh, that explains. Speaking of which, have you tried the two plugins I recommended you? It saved me a lot of time during the process of switching skill with tt.
I haven't tried it yet, I'll probably do it tomorrow. Gonna go to sleep soonish, just waiting on my velika port so I can turn in my dailies... Getting kinda late here.
Zik, we're speaking with En Masse today at 2pm. Please let me know what I can request from them for your wiki-- assets, stats, an interview, whatever you think would benefit the wiki... thanks, Peter 19:22, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
Doubtful, En Masse Entertainment has such a great customer support, that it's better off just opening a 24/7 live chat with them, where they can reply instantly to any question. That, is mostly because they wouldn't release things to a website if it wasn't released to the public to begin with.
Look at the Official Team Fortress Wiki for example. Valve and their wiki community are so connected with each other, that they post links to the inside to game that lead directly to the wiki, yet you don't see Valve give them information they were never meant to find out if they weren't there.
The only thing I could possibly see benefiting us, is if they could give us a shout-out on their main page. They did so to multiple fansites, but never to the TERA Wiki. I nor any editor gains any profit from this wiki, our main goal and mostly any other wiki on the Wikia network's goal is to grow bigger and create a community.
Hi Zik, I wanted to let you know that Wikia has been in touch with Gaikai recently (at E3) and we have a really cool offer to extend to this community. Gaikai really wants to promote Tera through this wiki! Among the options discussed were you guys talking directly with Gaikai about the game and putting playable promos of Tera on this wiki. What do you think? Please let me know your thoughs as soon as you can and I will gladly put you directly in touch with Wikia's Director of Programming, Gaming. Best, Peter 18:56, June 13, 2012 (UTC)
Greetings Peter,
Firstly I would like to apologize for large delay, I had so medical problems I had to take care of and was unable to login yesterday.
I've heard about Gaikai, it's an open platform to simulate a real demo of a game which highly depends on bandwidth, like OnLive, correct?
Although I don't completely understand the situation, Gaikai are offering playable demos of TERA on the TERA Wiki, or the other way around, in which they direct people to the TERA Wiki from their locations?
Surely you have more experience than me Peter, vastly much more at any fields related to advertisements and such, but from my personal perspective point of view, I would already assume that people whom are visiting the TERA Wiki already brought the game, wouldn't they?
In which case wouldn't be really deemed as a promotion to us, but them. I don't know, maybe I'm overlooking something.
Regardless, as you probably already seen, the TERA Wiki is still in a stubby situation in which we're missing a great majority of content to be considered informative. If the case is that you believe such offer from Gaikai could expend the TERA Wiki and bring in more contributions, than I, and any other person who's already active here wouldn't deny such offer.
Hi Zik, thanks for the reply and hope your medical issues are behind you! So to clarify, Gaikai is offering playable demos on the Tera Wiki. You are right in that this will only be of interest to the non-core Tera fans. That said, Gaikai has promised to work in conjunection with the developer on this effort to maximize its promotional value. We will most likely be able to faciliate a direct dialogue between yourself and the developer (for an interview, for instance). I can also offer you the full promotional support of Wikia- spotlights, global nav placements, house ads, all bringing people to the wiki. We can also help you to build content here to make the wiki more comprehensive and detailed. If the majority of this sounds good to you, please let me know your email address and I'll send you an email putting you in touch with our Programming Director, Gaming. Thanks Zik! Peter 22:41, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
Think you missed my message when I had mentioned I uploaded the pic for the background :x soul says he likes the one with the fade/shadow in the middle and on the bottom (and I agree... I think it makes it have a more "3D"/layered look, like the body is creating a shadow on the background picture), so I uploaded that one as a jpg but then figured you might want to see it without the shadow. The psd file is also below if you want to soften the shadows or change the rate of the fade out at the bottom. Example without site body creating shadow Example with site body creating shadow JPG with site body creating shadow PSD file
When you get a chance, check out QuestTest and tell me what you think. The info on the page is based off an actual quest, minus the "Recommended for party of 3"--that's just there so I could see what it would look like.
QuestTTtest shows what the tooltip looks like (for later use in Quest Progress templates, for chain quests). The [Lvl60]Questname looks kinda bleh to me, but it matches how they have it in the ingame questlog...
Still working on a template for armor/weapon quest rewards (since they're class-specific) and might edit the questbox info/parameters to match the reward... but wanted feedback on what you thought of the general quest page layout and if more/less info should be included in the tooltip. Thanks~
QuestTest does look indeed look very refined, and it's great that you're looking forward for some otherside feedback.
I personally see a trouble with Start and End. Unlikely WoW, TERA chose to have the annoying type of questing system where there's mini-completes labeled as a question mark. Shouldn't be a problem to be included to the quest page itself, but the tooltip is a different case.
The objective section needs to be more of a guide. Although it's an encyclopedia, chances are that if a person got to that page, s/he'll want exact information of how to complete it. You don't need to improve it, but in a manual style form, it should include item links, NPC links and coordinates (which I will try to implement, if they're wanted). Not literally a guide, but just links and maybe brackets, for example:
* Check the Device.
* Find [[Adean]].
* Check the condition of the analysis device. (Use [[Insert I don't know how you're named Item #81]] at [[Insert random location here]])
* Return the analysis device to [[Deresk]].
I love the script section, simply fantastic for readers. And I don't know what else to say, it's just awesome.
Rewards are great, I'll get you a compact reward template working in a bit.
Notes is not always needed unless we got a trivial quest name (Which actually happens often, did you notice that? I even noticed a All Our Base Are Belong to Us reference), I don't really understand media, patch history seems like it's worth logging, but I do wonder how progressive they'll do it, and there's no external links, we're sadly the most active resource.
If you're wondering about the Wiki forms, Wikia said no, for the time being.
"Hello,
Thanks for contacting Wikia.
I'm sorry, but due to a technical issue, Wikia is not able to enable Semantic MediaWiki at this time for any wiki. We are fighting stability issues with the wikis currently with SMW and are hoping a version upgrade that will be going through June and early July will fix the issue. If it does, we will be able to enable those extensions once again.
I will go ahead and add your wiki to a list of wikis we will contact once the extension is available again.
Sorry for the trouble and hope this helps!"
Lame how they call "your wiki", if I wanted my own wiki, I would have bought a domain already.
First of all, I want to apologize for the delay in my responses, and for seemingly ignoring your first message (regarding the implementation of a chat). Life around here has been a bit hectic as of late, so I haven't had as much time to check the wiki as I would have liked.
Either way, after reading your second, to-the-point and rather boot-to-the-head message, I decided to take some time and have a look at the wiki features offered, as well as the one you suggested.
As you can see, the idea of a chat indeed seemed like a great idea, and thus I have enabled it. I also enabled a couple of additional features (such as message walls) to hopefully make the wiki a bit more user and community friendly.
In regards to the Administrative positions you mentioned, you can understand why I'm a bit reluctant. While I admit that I am a bit new to the idea of managing a wiki, I am by no means new to the concept of administrating a community. I have had my fair share of bad experiences, which has taught me to be very careful when it comes to giving out moderative and administrative positions, as some people cannot handle that kind of power/responsibility and quickly turns into self-centered assholes who bans to the left and right.
However after reviewing some of the pages you've made and edited, and having a look at the activity log, I came to realize that not only are you our most active user and contributor, but you seem genuinely willing to help this wiki. Thus I have decided to trust you with an administrative position (for now), to both help you in your effort to make this wiki better, and to evaluate how you handle that kind of responsibility.
Should you turn out to be a great asset to this wiki, then we can discuss upgrading your permissions to beurocrat so that you may appoint sub-administrators and helpers.
Again, thanks for your messages, your suggestions, and your contributions. And congratulations on your newly appointed position as the first TERA Wiki Administrator.
May you always walk the path of light, and may your actions be guided by Arun and Shara.
There is no need to apologize. I never assumed you were ignoring me, we all have different things to do at certain times that we can't avoid attending to, which is why after I noticed you have been busy to check on your Talk Page, I realized you might be into one of those situations. Which is why, I suggested another administrator, to ease on you and to improve the TERA Wiki before it starts decaying. Therefore I don't think it's right for you to apologize over such matter because it's irrelevant.
My second message came in after I noticed you were too busy, and like I mentioned earlier, that's not a bad thing. I'm sorry that you took it as a "boot-the-head" message, I clearly didn't intend that. I intended to be diplomatic as it's the right thing to do in these kind of situations, in my opinion.
Although I said, "I don't think it should go unmoderated to a point where there's only one administrator" doesn't mean it's harsh. It might sound like it, but it's simply another way of saying that a wiki does not depend on one person, but the community itself, and that's why there's multiple wikis out there that have more than 5 administrators, because they get to "cover more ground" easily. Which is why I believe that the more we're open to the community, the more we can become part of them, the stronger we can cooperate together with the TERA Wiki community to create beautiful, and easy to read pages.
Our experiences seem to be the opposite of each other, I assisted in multiple Curse networks (And one Wikia, hello Left 4 Dead~) for the past 2 years to a point where I'm moderating pages, but I decided to leave them after seeing how harsh they can be when it comes to supporting their community (And that's pretty much why I'm on Wikia's TERA Wiki, not Curse's).
Although I never really was in a position of being an administrator, I had a forum bulletin that ran for 4 months, but that is all. Which is why I'll take full responsibility and think twice before actions in my current position and use my given powers to support the community in all the options I'm given.
Thank you so much for promoting me into an administrator of the TERA Wiki.
Aside from that, I'm really glad you added these features! I'm not entirely used to the Message Wall feature, but it's surely something I always wanted 3 years ago when I first came to Wikia, but had to get used to Talk Pages, seems to be the other way around now.
And the chat feature? I'm really really glad to see it. I'll be on it as much as I can if anybody needs help, or even wants to have a small chat. (Come by, won't you?) I'll try to be active on the Chat most of the time, but I might be away from keyboard.
I've also made a notice in attempt to lure in more support, but it doesn't appear to be on the main page. Do you know what might be the cause?
Don't worry about the whole "boot-to-the-head" thing, that was meant as a positive thing. It acted as a wake-up call call and made me take some time out to fix all this stuff regarding the wiki. :)
In regards to the notice you posted, it shows up perfectly fine as a "news" post on the frontpage. At least to me.
What would you think about adding that feature? You think it'd serve as a better version of the current "talk pages"? Perhaps allow people/contributors to leave messages stating what they think needs to be added/changed/removed?
I'm glad you've got the message the right way then.
I've seen the Comments feature previously in other Wikis of the Wikia network and it just doesn't appeal to me.
I do enjoy the fact that it's more automated, signed and organized, but it gives the impression to certain people that it's just another comments box to type your about that specific entity of the article, something like YouTube comments (>Edits a really good Twilight video >Gets hated comments because of the subject, not editing), not to mention it doubles, or even triples the length of a page.
"i love Mary-Alice, she's the most beautiful, most kind, most friendly, most important character. I love when thay flashback about her"
"me to"
Therefore even though it'll improve a certain feature, in my opinion it will destroy a few others in the process and I have sent a feedback to Wikia about it, in hope they'll be able to do something.
What we, or anybody really on the TERA Wiki should be doing is if there's an issue with the page that can't be sorted by one person, that person (or others, if they think it's worthy) should strap on it a stub template or a cleanup template, directing all editors interested in fixing the cause to the Talk Page to discuss about it, or leave notes.
Something that interested me though, is the Achievements feature. I'm an achievement-w***re in every game that includes them, but the idea of people abusing the powers of editing non-step just to get achievements instead of self-achievements scares me, what do you think?
I suppose you're right. Lets leave the comment feature out for the time being then, at least until (if) the Wikia team decides to compress the comments, or allow some kind of max length to be set, so that we don't end up with class/race pages being 3 miles long.
As for achievements, I don't particularly fancy the ideas.
I understand the point of them if they're in a game like WoW. Explore the world and get an achievement as proof, bragging rights included. Drink one million potions and get a title + achievement. And so on. But I really don't understand the point of having such things on a wiki.
Wikis are meant to be informational pages, not a game, so having achievements for "Editing the most pages" or "Submitting the most images" would just cause people to start spamming and destroying the wiki in order to get those pointless "badges".
As much as I love collecting achievements, I honestly didn't believe Wikis are meant for such as people may easily abuse their given powers to do. It's as low as believing one can own a page.
I thought there was more to it, seeing as how there's over 100,000 Wikis featuring (The Wiki Features page says so, apparently?). But then I started looking around other Wikis on the Wikia network and seen that most of them do include things that would be easily abused (100 edits, 500 images, or editing everyday), not to mention nobody has the powers to remove one's achievements!
The highest we can take this is probably not so far, such as "You've edited your user page!" "You've been registered for 2 months." or "Login everyday for 30 days", but that's as far as I can see it go, and will clearly not pile up into a big list of achievements, making it a bit irrelevant.
Regarding blogs, the blog posts seems to take 2 days to enter the main page, I suppose it's just a cache issue, I think if it into a form of template it will update much often. Leading on with that, I have made a news article about a new design to the wiki that everyone can submit their suggestions, and we'll start in a few days if we get enough submissions.
You could try to participate as well, I was surprised how easy it is to use the Theme Designer!
In latest activities, I've been trying to implement tooltips (Which isn't going quite well) and complete the skill pages. Luvere, a new editor has also been contributing in the NPC and lore section of the TERA Wiki and Kittorobi has also done a great contribution of images.
(I wonder if I'm still supposed to sign these kind of Wall Messages, haha.)
No need to sign the wall messages, they kinda sign themselves now. Which is why I like them so much; Threaded view and not have to worry about signing or formatting. :P
It's great to know that we're slowly gaining reputable users who's willing to help out with the wiki. :)
Also, I checked out your news article, and added a little comment of my own which I hope will be helpful somehow.
